"DUCK-HAMS" (Hippy-Dippy)
02/27/2014 at 08:30 • Filed to: MAZDA 323 GTX, NISSAN JUKE, COMPARISONS, RALLY
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"DUCK-HAMS" (Hippy-Dippy)
02/27/2014 at 08:30 • Filed to: MAZDA 323 GTX, NISSAN JUKE, COMPARISONS, RALLY | 0
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323 GTX
1.6L turbo ~ 130hp. 4WD. Front diff: open, rear diff: open, center diff: open/lockable. 5sp manual.
Juke
1.6L turbo ~ 190hp. AWD. Torque vectoring AWD (including left/right vectoring). CVT.
They both are unexpectedly quick and have unique styling (GTX rear wings). One's an under appreciated classic and one will eventually be. Jalopnik tends to focus on the lack of manual transmission on the Juke but the tranny was never a strong point for the GTX either. The CVT is well put together and feels very quick, though not as satisfying as a manual, it is coupled well to the vehicle and makes for it's own unique experience. Most importantly I've owned both and there is a lot to be impressed with with the Juke. The GTX had its moments but they don't particularly age well while the Juke is just beginning.
I'm just waiting now for my wife to decide she wants to drive a new car and I can hoon the hell out of it, but she also loves the Juke so I don't think it will be any time soon.
505 - morphine not found
> DUCK-HAMS
02/27/2014 at 08:39 |
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You do have a point.
However, with your logic, the Mini Paceman Cooper S All4 manual should be a hoot to drive, and an instant Jalop classic. And it is neither.
IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK
> DUCK-HAMS
02/27/2014 at 08:40 |
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One is a car with a manual.
The other is a crossover with a CVT.
They are not the same.
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DUCK-HAMS
> IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK
02/27/2014 at 09:10 |
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The Juke is a bit taller and wider but they are very similar sizes. Difference of a few inches I bet. Sport cross over BTW.
Have you driven a Mazda 323 GTX 5spd? It shifts pretty sluggish, it's barely a manual :p
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DUCK-HAMS
> 505 - morphine not found
02/27/2014 at 09:16 |
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Yeah I agree that you'd expect it to be a Jalop classic, but it's not just like the Juke.
I do think the Juke is still more GTX-ish than the Paceman S 4all because it's about $8000 less than the mini (at least in Canada). The GTX being based of the normal 323 it was not a fancy car like the mini.
Giles007
> DUCK-HAMS
02/27/2014 at 09:18 |
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The Juke is also 500 lbs heavier and has a higher center of gravity.
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Giles007
> DUCK-HAMS
02/27/2014 at 09:25 |
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So what makes the Juke a modern day GTX? Being equipped with a 1.6L engine and AWD?
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DUCK-HAMS
> Giles007
02/27/2014 at 09:26 |
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Yeah modern cars aren't the best for that. Still, 3000ish lbs for a AWD turbocharged vehicle is pretty good for 2013.
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DUCK-HAMS
> Giles007
02/27/2014 at 09:31 |
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I make some points in the post but obviously they are different situations (homologation and all).
If you can think of a better suggestion for a modern day GTX (that's available in North America) let's discuss :)
A lot of it is that the GTX and the Juke have come up a lot on Jalopnik the last few days and I've owned both and thought I could offer a quick comparison if people were interested.
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Giles007
> DUCK-HAMS
02/27/2014 at 09:33 |
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That isn't bad at all for an AWD, or any modern vehicle for that matter. My Focus ST weighs 3150! (Why?)
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DUCK-HAMS
> Giles007
02/27/2014 at 09:34 |
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A big part too is that a lot of people treat the 323 GTX as some magical rally unicorn when there are some exceptional cars available now that out perform it almost everywhere.
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Giles007
> DUCK-HAMS
02/27/2014 at 09:44 |
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That's very true. Many "regular" modern vehicles would probably outperform a lot of older performance models. We're living in the middle of a horsepower arms race where Camrys and Accords do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, and cheap econo boxes come packed with 165HP.
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DUCK-HAMS
> Giles007
02/27/2014 at 09:51 |
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Because it loves you and wants to keep you safe!
RallyDork
> DUCK-HAMS
05/05/2016 at 23:08 |
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It is a magical unicorn.